tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post574027281658008755..comments2024-03-16T00:19:27.699-07:00Comments on pre-Gébelin Tarot History: The Most Celebrated PopessMichael J. Hursthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-83581079510726402042012-09-01T08:23:10.845-07:002012-09-01T08:23:10.845-07:00Hi, Ross,
Indeed. The bunnies were conventional e...Hi, Ross,<br /><br />Indeed. The bunnies were conventional even then. And Boccaccio explained the role of lust for Pope Joan.<br /><br />Boccaccio is a key, not merely because of that and his prominence. Among other things, I think that the comparison of quotes you did a couple years ago -- I need to look that stuff up -- the one from Boccaccio and the one from the Steele Sermon, make a good caseMichael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-1197889547277748262012-09-01T04:08:37.833-07:002012-09-01T04:08:37.833-07:00Hi Bertrand, Michael -
I think a few other detail...Hi Bertrand, Michael -<br /><br />I think a few other details make Pope Joan the certain identification here. First the figure is depicted with a wimple, which only women wear.<br />Second the book she is holding, which refers to Boccaccio's account, the most well-known version of Pope Joan's story - she rose because of her book-wisdom, and fell because of her lust.<br />Finally, on that Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04791591604392626851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-2671075477944963082012-08-31T14:15:26.156-07:002012-08-31T14:15:26.156-07:00There is another approach to the question. From ea...There is another approach to the question. From earlier in 15th-century Italy and continuing for centuries, it was conventional to include some clearly identifiable figures as Cupid's captives. In the early Italian depictions, these would routinely include such persons as Aristotle, identifiable by virtue of being ridden by Phyllis, and Samson, identifiable by virtue of having his hair cut byMichael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-89177634583470915872012-08-31T13:05:40.681-07:002012-08-31T13:05:40.681-07:00Hi, Bertrand,
Personally, I have no doubt whatsoe...Hi, Bertrand,<br /><br />Personally, I have no doubt whatsoever.<br /><br />1. Pope Joan is a perfect illustration of a victim of Love.<br />2. The 1488 date and Venetian origin, as well as the depiction itself, preclude anti-Catholic satire, such as one might find in later German prints shown in previous posts.<br />3. Identification of the popess as some aspect of the Virgin, as shown in Michael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-90644865848581232622012-08-31T12:46:01.204-07:002012-08-31T12:46:01.204-07:00Hello Michael,
First thank you for another great ...Hello Michael,<br /><br />First thank you for another great and instructing post.<br />I remember seeing a conversation about the last picture you posted on tarot-history, but can't seem to find the thread - how can we identify undoubtedly this feminine pope figure to Pope Joan ? Or maybe there are doubts and Pope Joan is simply the most plausible identification in that case ?<br /><br />Bertrand Saint-Guillainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12765370115388256832noreply@blogger.com