tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post4094357230589192124..comments2024-03-16T00:19:27.699-07:00Comments on pre-Gébelin Tarot History: A Complex Wheel of FortuneMichael J. Hursthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-41202152260474738022016-04-02T16:11:23.512-07:002016-04-02T16:11:23.512-07:00Hi, Michael,
Thanks a lot for such an insightful ...Hi, Michael,<br /><br />Thanks a lot for such an insightful article. I even think it is an essential key for understanding Tarot trump cycle as a whole.<br /> <br />Wheel of Reynard (from a 1323 Festal Missal) reminds me a Wheel of fortune with its animals of the standard Marseille pattern deck.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-23010543386748829852009-04-19T07:57:00.000-07:002009-04-19T07:57:00.000-07:00Yes! I remember that thread. Thanks.
These drawin...Yes! I remember that thread. Thanks.<br /><br />These drawings are powerful (as well as the ones made by Leonardo, featuring punctilious notes on the victim’s clothing. There is something a little bit unsettling about describing a corpse as one would describe a landscape, but I guess we have grown even more used to that these days thanks to all of our forensic T.V. shows!)<br /><br />Enrique Enriquezhttp://www.enriqueenriquez.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-72690759816005483402009-04-18T08:23:00.000-07:002009-04-18T08:23:00.000-07:00Hi, Enrique,
The illustration is revealing, showi...Hi, Enrique,<br /><br />The illustration is revealing, showing corpses in different states of decay. There is a great page of sketches by Pisanello, preparatory for his St George in Verona painting, that shows four views of a newly hung criminal and two views of an older, withered and also apparently bloated figure.<br /><br />http://www.wga.hu/html/p/pisanell/graphics/hanged.html<br /><br />A Michael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-88701731532252586332009-04-18T07:20:00.000-07:002009-04-18T07:20:00.000-07:00Thanks Michael, that clarifies a lot.
The Ballade...Thanks Michael, that clarifies a lot.<br /><br />The Ballade is great indeed. It is a powerful poem, specially if one puts it in context. I am fascinated by the illustration.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br /><br /><br />EEEnrique Enriquezhttp://www.enriqueenriquez.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-41241818035537676072009-04-16T16:09:00.000-07:002009-04-16T16:09:00.000-07:00You might want to read the post, L’Epitaphe Villon...You might want to read the post, L’Epitaphe Villon: Ballade Des Pendus. Here are a few lines from the poem:<br /><br />As to the flesh that we too well have fed,<br />Tis all devoured and rotted, shred by shred.<br /><br />The rain has soaked us, washed us: skies<br />Of hot suns blacken us, scorch us: crows<br />And magpies have gouged out our eyes,<br />Plucked at our beards, and our eyebrows.<Michael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-3168439583310995592009-04-16T16:04:00.000-07:002009-04-16T16:04:00.000-07:00Hi, Enrique,
The wheel had two functions, both of...Hi, Enrique,<br /><br />The wheel had two functions, both of them depicted in that illustration. First, it was used as a bludgeon to break the long bones of the arms and legs, (and sometimes the spine or the rib cage). This is the function that Merback is referring to when describing the way Fortune holds the wheel in the German woodcut: "she strikes the same pose as the medieval executioner who Michael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-13663539355005670952009-04-16T15:30:00.000-07:002009-04-16T15:30:00.000-07:00Thanks Michael,
Those are great images indeed!
I...Thanks Michael,<br /><br />Those are great images indeed!<br /><br />I am still at odds wit the exact function the wheel itself had in the torture process. The text seems to suggest that they used the actual wheel to... give blows? “aiming his blows between the slats with a large wooden cartwheel”. Further readings on line are confusing, since they include horses and the like into the mix.<br /><Enrique Enriquezhttp://www.enriqueenriquez.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-58128684061842843812009-04-15T07:51:00.000-07:002009-04-15T07:51:00.000-07:00There are a couple other images of breaking with t...There are a couple other images of breaking with the wheel from the Luzerner Chronik at Wikipedia, but not this particular one.<br /><br />http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Luzerner_SchillingMichael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-51709270640704785202009-04-15T07:44:00.000-07:002009-04-15T07:44:00.000-07:00It's one of several such images reproduced in Merb...It's one of several such images reproduced in Merback's book. I believe that it may be the first one described in the following passage, (fol. 280r, one of a pair of illustrations from the Luzerner Chronik), but I don't have the book at hand.<br /><br />"Judging from the numerous depictions of the procedure which survive from this period, the method for breaking a man with the wheel was fairly Michael J. Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140523448996508475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818207105387837658.post-56512710167844552502009-04-15T06:57:00.000-07:002009-04-15T06:57:00.000-07:00Hello Michael,
Sorry to bother you but, can you p...Hello Michael,<br /><br />Sorry to bother you but, can you point out the provenance of the small image in your post? I mean the one with the three wheels...<br /><br />Thanks in advance,<br /><br /><br />EEEnrique Enriquezhttp://www.enriqueenriquez.netnoreply@blogger.com